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old age; last year; or the year before; they had none of their new wisdom。  I am only apprehensive that I may bring the two strangers into disrepute; as I have done Connus the son of Metrobius; the harp…player; who is still my music…master; for when the boys who go to him see me going with them; they laugh at me and call him grandpapa's master。  Now I should not like the strangers to experience similar treatment; the fear of ridicule may make them unwilling to receive me; and therefore; Crito; I shall try and persuade some old men to accompany me to them; as I persuaded them to go with me to Connus; and I hope that you will make one:  and perhaps we had better take your sons as a bait; they will want to have them as pupils; and for the sake of them willing to receive us。

CRITO:  I see no objection; Socrates; if you like; but first I wish that you would give me a description of their wisdom; that I may know beforehand what we are going to learn。

SOCRATES:  In less than no time you shall hear; for I cannot say that I did not attendI paid great attention to them; and I remember and will endeavour to repeat the whole story。  Providentially I was sitting alone in the dressing…room of the Lyceum where you saw me; and was about to depart; when I was getting up I recognized the familiar divine sign:  so I sat down again; and in a little while the two brothers Euthydemus and Dionysodorus came in; and several others with them; whom I believe to be their disciples; and they walked about in the covered court; they had not taken more than two or three turns when Cleinias entered; who; as you truly say; is very much improved:  he was followed by a host of lovers; one of whom was Ctesippus the Paeanian; a well…bred youth; but also having the wildness of youth。  Cleinias saw me from the entrance as I was sitting alone; and at once came and sat down on the right hand of me; as you describe; and Dionysodorus and Euthydemus; when they saw him; at first stopped and talked with one another; now and then glancing at us; for I particularly watched them; and then Euthydemus came and sat down by the youth; and the other by me on the left hand; the rest anywhere。  I saluted the brothers; whom I had not seen for a long time; and then I said to Cleinias:  Here are two wise men; Euthydemus and Dionysodorus; Cleinias; wise not in a small but in a large way of wisdom; for they know all about war;all that a good general ought to know about the array and command of an army; and the whole art of fighting in armour:  and they know about law too; and can teach a man how to use the weapons of the courts when he is injured。

They heard me say this; but only despised me。  I observed that they looked at one another; and both of them laughed; and then Euthydemus said:  Those; Socrates; are matters which we no longer pursue seriously; to us they are secondary occupations。

Indeed; I said; if such occupations are regarded by you as secondary; what must the principal one be; tell me; I beseech you; what that noble study is?

The teaching of virtue; Socrates; he replied; is our principal occupation; and we believe that we can impart it better and quicker than any man。

My God! I said; and where did you learn that?  I always thought; as I was saying just now; that your chief accomplishment was the art of fighting in armour; and I used to say as much of you; for I remember that you professed this when you were here before。  But now if you really have the other knowledge; O forgive me:  I address you as I would superior beings; and ask you to pardon the impiety of my former expressions。  But are you quite sure about this; Dionysodorus and Euthydemus? the promise is so vast; that a feeling of incredulity steals over me。

You may take our word; Socrates; for the fact。

Then I think you happier in having such a treasure than the great king is in the possession of his kingdom。  And please to tell me whether you intend to exhibit your wisdom; or what will you do?

That is why we have come hither; Socrates; and our purpose is not only to exhibit; but also to teach any one who likes to learn。

But I can promise you; I said; that every unvirtuous person will want to learn。  I shall be the first; and there is the youth Cleinias; and Ctesippus:  and here are several others; I said; pointing to the lovers of Cleinias; who were beginning to gather round us。  Now Ctesippus was sitting at some distance from Cleinias; and when Euthydemus leaned forward in talking with me; he was prevented from seeing Cleinias; who was between us; and so; partly because he wanted to look at his love; and also because he was interested; he jumped up and stood opposite to us:  and all the other admirers of Cleinias; as well as the disciples of Euthydemus and Dionysodorus; followed his example。  And these were the persons whom I showed to Euthydemus; telling him that they were all eager to learn:  to which Ctesippus and all of them with one voice vehemently assented; and bid him exhibit the power of his wisdom。  Then I said:  O Euthydemus and Dionysodorus; I earnestly request you to do myself and the company the favour to exhibit。  There may be some trouble in giving the whole exhibition; but tell me one thing;can you make a good man of him only who is already convinced that he ought to learn of you; or of him also who is not convinced; either because he imagines that virtue is a thing which cannot be taught at all; or that you are not the teachers of it?  Has your art power to persuade him; who is of the latter temper of mind; that virtue can be taught; and that you are the men from whom he will best learn it?

Certainly; Socrates; said Dionysodorus; our art will do both。

And you and your brother; Dionysodorus; I said; of all men who are now living are the most likely to stimulate him to philosophy and to the study of virtue?

Yes; Socrates; I rather think that we are。

Then I wish that you would be so good as to defer the other part of the exhibition; and only try to persuade the youth whom you see here that he ought to be a philosopher and study virtue。  Exhibit that; and you will confer a great favour on me and on every one present; for the fact is I and all of us are extremely anxious that he should become truly good。  His name is Cleinias; and he is the son of Axiochus; and grandson of the old Alcibiades; cousin of the Alcibiades that now is。  He is quite young; and we are naturally afraid that some one may get the start of us; and turn his mind in a wrong direction; and he may be ruined。  Your visit; therefore; is most happily timed; and I hope that you will make a trial of the young man; and converse with him in our presence; if you have no objection。

These were pretty nearly the expressions which I used; and Euthydemus; in a manly and at the same time encouraging tone; replied:  There can be no objection; Socrates; if the young man is only willing to answer questions。

He is quite accustomed to do so; I replied; for his friends often come and ask him questions and argue with him; and therefore he is quite at home in answering。

What followed; Crito; how can I rightly narrate?  For not slight is the task of rehearsing infinite wisdom; and therefore; like the poets; I ought to commence my relation with an invocation to Memory and the Muses。  Now Euthydemus; if I remember rightly; began nearly as follows:  O Cleinias; are those who learn the wise or the ignorant?

The youth; overpowered by the question blushed; and in his perplexity looked at me for help; and I; knowing that he was disconcerted; said:  Take courage; Cleinias; and answer like a man whichever you think; for my belief is that you will derive the greatest benefit from their questions。

Whichever he answers; said Dionysodorus; leaning forward so as to catch my ear; his face beaming with laughter; I prophesy that he will be refuted; Socrates。

While he was speaking to me; Cleinias gave his answer:  and therefore I had no time to warn him of the predicament in which he was placed; and he answered that those who learned were the wise。

Euthydemus proceeded:  There are some whom you would call teachers; are there not?

The boy assented。

And they are the teachers of those who learnthe grammar…master and 

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